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December 25 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Conclusion and Chazara - Simanim | We succeeded in getting to the bottom of כז: but did not complete the sugyah last night. For the first 15 minutes this evening, we will make an effort to finish the sugyah - and then we'll do a review by breaking down this sugyah into its units, summarizing the main issues and conclusions of the piece.
This is our last class until Jan. 10 - I look forward to seeing you there!
RM | |
December 24 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Conclusion of Simanim D'oraita or D'rabanan | Yesterday's shur, Leyma K'tanai, was an example of a "technical" part of a sugyah - in which the Gemara proposes that the Tannaim disagree about a particular principle - and then 'reads in' that disagreement to the respective views of the Tannaim of a mishna or baraita. Our efforts, as is to be expected from this type of discussion, are spent "lining up" the principles of the Gemara, which rejects the initial linkage. To that end, we made a chart of the different permutations and filled it in to clarify the various approaches.
Tonight, we will make a valiant effort to conclude our discussion - to see how the Gemara rules on the overall question raised here - Simanim D'oraita or D'rabanan and then draw out its implications for practical halacha. The relevant passages are the bottom of 27b and top of 27a.
Thursday night, the final shiur of the zman, will be a review of the entire sugyah - starting from 27a and continuing until 28a. Anyone who has not yet sent me his/her chazara/quiz on Ye'ush Sheloh mi'da'at is encouraged to do so by email at ravron@gmail.com
See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 23 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Leyma K'tnai | Tonight, we are going to cover the last third of the amud, in the section beginning with the words לימא כתנאי - "Leyma K'tnai" - in which the Gemara proposes that the issue we have been dealing with - ie if simanim are recognized by the Torah as the basis on which to
a) return lost objects
b) Identify a person as dead so that his wife can re-marry
or if they are merely a rabbinic enactment and therefore only serve as a basis to return lost objects, based on the principle of 'Hefker Beit Din Hefker'.
Look forward to having you in the shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 22 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Simanim D'oraita or D'rabanan continued! | In just one a half hours, we will be resuming with the sugyah of Simanim D'oraita or D'rabanan on 27b of Bava Metziah. This is our last week in this perek and you are invited to join us!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 21 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Return to "Simanim D'oraita or D'Rabanan?" | Join me as we return to the Gemara in Bava Metziah for our final week of learning. We are in the midst of the sugyah of Simanim - D'oraita or D'rabanan on Bava Metziah כז. Hope to see you there!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 15 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Special Chanukah Shiur - PT II | As we discussed yesterday, we will be having another special Chanukah shiur - this one at 4:30 Pacific/6:30 Central/7:30 Eastern time.
Details to follow in the course of the day.
Happy Chanukah!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 15 2:30AM - 3:30AM
special Gemara Chanukah shiur | starting at 4:30 pacific , 7:30 eastern | |
December 14 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Special Chanukah Gemara Shiur | Join me tonight at our regular time for a special shiur on the topic of "Ner Ish U'Beito" - a study of the sugyah in Gemara Tractate Shabbat, plus an analysis of the halachic/conceptual ramifications of the sugyah.
See you there!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 11 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Less than a Peruta PT II | Tonight, we'll learn the second half of the Less than a Peruta piece, followed by the full text of "Siman D'oraita or D'rabanan"?
see you there!
RM | |
December 10 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Less than a Peruta | What happens if the item lost was worth less than a peruta, the smallest denomination considered "money"?
Where can we learn this halacha from?
Tonight we will delve into this issue, at the bottom of 27a in Bava Metziah, as well as begin, "L'fi Haseder" - the sugyah of Siman D'oraita or D'rabanan?
I look forward to learning with you - RM | |
December 9 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Isn't Simla a proof that Simanim are from the Torah? | Tonight we continue the sugyah on simanim - midway thru 27a, with a detour to the top of 27b, begun yesterday - see you in shiur!!!
RM | |
December 8 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Daf 27a - Class #2 | Tonight we continue in the sugyah on daf 27a, dealing with the question of simanim - and whether the presenting of a siman entitles you - d'oraita - to receive a lost object.
See you in shiur!
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December 7 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Review of Siman Ha'asui Lidareis | Our weekly chazara will be a review of last week's sugyah, siman ha'asui lidareis. See you in shiur!
RM | |
December 4 4:00AM - 5:00AM
New Sugyah -27a | Dear Talmidim,
Some final comments on the sugyah we have been on at the bottom of 23a, then with a few weeks left in this zman, we are going to have a change of pace and learn a different kind of sugyah - still in Perek Elu Metziot - BM 27a - see the mishna there and the intial lines of the Gemara.
See you in Shiur!
RM | |
December 3 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Maybe It's a Machloket Tannaim? PART II | After a lively Tuesday night exchange, I invite you to continue in the Gemara to make your own charts of the possible explanations of the R.Yehuda/TK machloket. I'm uploading tonight's document for you to look at if you wish.
Midway through this sugyah, the Gemara cites an "Ika D'amrei" which is another version of the exchange. It, too, has similar charts. The discussion continues to the bottom of the amud in the wide lines. See you tomorrow evening!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 2 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Maybe It's a Machloket Tannaim? | This is our topic for tonight - beginning in the middle of כג., the Gemara proposes the machloket between Raba and Rava that we have been learning about - has its origins as a machloket Tannaim. The Gemara may be asking this as a kashya - ie why is it that each of the Amoraim has been presenting his respective side as the exclusive view - when really the issue was a subject of Tannaitic dispute?
Check the website a couple of hours before our shiur for some specific questions pertaining to the sugyah.
See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
December 1 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Return to Siman Ha'asui Lidareis | The Siman Ha'asui Lidareis Sugyah continues tonight - after our Chazara last night on כב:. Tonight, we will review what we've done in shiur on this sugyah and press on. See you there!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 30 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Weekly Chazara & Bechina news | Dear Talmidim,
Tonight is our weekly Chazara. We will be covering from the end of the Ye'ush sheloh mida'at sugyah through to the first part of Siman Ha'asui Lidareis, on כב: This week's shiurim will pick up from mid-way through the sugyah. Consideration will given to those who have not been able to join us over the last couple of shiurim.
Also, the written Chazara/Mivchan on Ye'ush Sheloh Mida'at will be sent today by mid-day. Sorry for the delay. | |
November 27 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Ha'asui Lidareis/Makom sugyah - continued | Dear Talmidim,
Uploaded to the site is כג., continuing our analysis of the Rava/Raba machloket. Expect the Chazara/Review test in Ye'ush Sheloh Mida'at in your inboxes sometime Friday!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 26 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Siman Ha'sui Lidareis 2 | After a strong start yesterday, we continue in the sugyah on the bottom of כב: to the top of כג. See you in shiur! | |
November 25 4:00AM - 5:00AM
New Sugyah: Siman Ha'asui Lidareis | Dear Talmidim,
After our siyum of the monumental sugyah "Ye'ush Sheloh Mida'at", we move onto a new piece tonight, in the middle of כב:
The new material, along with some initial questions has been uploaded to the webyeshiva.org website. See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 24 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Conclusion of Ye'ush Sheloh Meda'at | Those long hard weeks of learning will bear fruit this evening as we conclude the sugyah of Ye'ush Sheloh mida'at. See you in shiur!
RM | |
November 23 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Sunday evening Chazara | Dear Talmidim,
Tonight, we conduct our weekly Chazara session. Tonight, we will be reviewing דף כב - from the Terumah case on Amud Aleph, down the amud until the end of the Tum'ah case - ("Ki Yutan"/"Ki Yiteyn") on Amud Bet. This week, we are set to complete the sugyah of Ye'ush Sheloh mida'at and begin a new sugyah mid-way through כב:
See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 20 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Ye'ush Sheloh Mida'at - concluding shiurim | Talmidim,
After a challenging several weeks, we are headed towards a conclusion of the sugyah of Ye'ush Sheloh Mida'at, on 22b in Bava Metziah. Depending on our pace, this will be drawing to a close either tonight or Monday evening. Sunday is set aside for our Chazara - see you in shiur!
RM | |
November 19 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Terumah conclusion | Tonight we will be sharpening our understanding of the give and take in the Terumah case, specifically, how does the explanation of the case as one of Shlichut, or agency, ultimately defend Abaye? Also, if the requirement for shlichut in Terumah is so definitive, what was the assumption of Rava's camp when it launched its attack on Abaye to begin with?
Also, how does the story that follows complement the piece we are now finishing? What principle emanates from the story?
See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 18 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Saving Abaye | Tonight we will hopefully 'save Abaye' from the formidable question posed to him by Rava's camp. Monday evening's shiur caused quite a stir when we weren't so sure just WHAT WAS the proof against Abaye. Tonight we will attempt to clarify that further and see what the sugyah's conclusion holds.
see you in shiur!
Ron Ami Meyers | |
November 17 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Terumah revisited and onward | Tonight we will pick up from the end of yesterday's Chazara and review the first half of the Terumah section of the sugyah - so that everyone will once again be on board. See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 16 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Our Weekly Chazara | Dear Talmidim,
Tonight, we will use our hour to review דף כב. - which includes three cases
1) Ganav/Gazlan
2) Shataf Nahar
3) Terumah case
We are mid-way through the last case, and if we have time tonight, we will proceed with the rest of that case. Also, if students are able, we can make up for another lost "half hour" recently and continue past our usual hour time slot. Please let me know if this is convenient or not convenient for you tonight.
See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 13 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Middle of Terumah case 22a | Dear Talmidim,
Tonight we continue with the Terumah case in the middle of כב. and try to grasp how this is a קושיא on Abaye.
Also, what is Team Abaye's response to the question and proof?
Uploaded to the site is a summary of our discussion during the last half of yesterday's class.
See you in shiur,
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 12 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Ye'ush and Terumah | Last night, we began the new תא שמע dealing with one who was תורם שלא ברשות - who went to his neighbor's property and separated Terumah without the knowledge of the property owner.
Depending on the Ba'al habayit's response, the mishna decides whether the Hafrashat Teruma was effective or ineffective.
Questions to ponder:
- How is the Ba'al Habayit's statement indicative of his intent? Review the two cases in which the mishna says that the behavior of the Ba'al Habayit indicates serious intent
- In what case is his statement deemed sarcastic?
- Whose "camp" is this case a proof for - and why? Note Rashi's linkage between this case and hashavat aveida - what connects the two realms?
- what is the defense against this proof? Who offers the defense and what is unusual about this?
- HOW does the defense constitute a defense? But once we say this a NEW PROBLEM ARISES! What is the new difficulty that arises?
see you in shiur! | |
November 11 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Terumah Tonight | Shiur is two hours away - first 10 minutes we'll probe the last stage of Shataf Nahar; immediately thereafter, we start the Terumah case! See you in shiur | |
November 10 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Shataf Nahar Bava Metziah 22a |
Shalom Talmidim,
Monday evening's shiur - a continuation of last Thursday's class:
The property that is washed away by the tide. Questions to keep in mind: Who is this case a proof for and why? How does teh camp on the defense - defuse this proof? The majority of the rest of daf כב. occupies itself with yet another proof, this time from the world of Terumah Questions to keep in mind: Who is this case a proof for and why? How does the view on the defense defuse the proof? How does Terumah relate to our topic of השבת אבידה? It seems to be a totally different area of halacha - where is the overlap?
see you in shiur! | |
November 9 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Chazara and Beyond | On tap Sunday:
Chazara on the end of כא: and the top of כב. is the topic of Sunday's shiur.
Starting Monday evening, we will be concluding the piece on "Shataf Nahar" on כב. and then proceed to the case of Terumah that occupies the Gemara for the rest of כב
See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 6 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Matmidim Gemara - Beginners | Dear Talmidim,
After some final comments on the Gazlan V'Yarden case, we will proceed to another case in which property is washed away by the tide.
Questions to keep in mind:
Who is this case a proof for and why? How does teh camp on the defense - defuse this proof?
The majority of the rest of daf כב. occupies itself with yet another proof, this time from the world of Terumah
Questions to keep in mind:
Who is this case a proof for and why?
How does the view on the defense defuse the proof?
How does Terumah relate to our topic of השבת אבידה? It seems to be a totally different area of halacha - where is the overlap? | |
November 5 4:00AM - 5:00AM
A Fresh start - Join us for Bava Metziah 22a | Dear Talmidim,
Tonight we begin the top of דף כב - the case of property being swept away by a river or stolen. The context is the continuing discussion of Ye'ush Sheloh Mida'at, if it constitutes halachic ye'ush or not.
For those of you who have watched the shiur in the archives, or have attended a couple of shiurim, but for one reason or another have not been able to attend regulary - a quick review of the issue:
In order for a finder to acquire a lost object, the original owner has to despair of retrieving it (have "ye'ush). This makes the property "hefker" or "ownerless" - thus permitting the finder to acquire it as his own.
Rava and Abaye are divided over whether there needs to be a conscious mental act of ye'ush (Abaye) or whether an object regarding which the owner will eventually give up on - be mit'ya'esh - ONCE HE FINDS OUT THAT IT'S GONE - enters a state of "ye'ush" automatically once it's dropped. (Rava) Until now, the vast majority of attempted proofs have been on behalf of Rava's camp, but deflected by Abaye's camp. The most recent case, that of ketziyot, was the rare instance in our discussion in which Abaye was on the offensive.
If you have not yet joined us regularly, now, the start of דף כב - is a good time to start!
The first section of the file uploaded for Tuesday's shiur - called "listin' mezuin'" is the starting point for tonight's shiur. See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 4 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Ketziyot - Final pshat in Rashi | Tonight,
We will, B'ezrat Hashem,
- come to a final pshat in the תא שמע on Ketziyot through analyzing the subtleties of two Rashis;
- move forward to the next case, and then to the top of כב. in the תא שמע of "Gazlan V'Yarden"
I have uploaded a "background to the daf" file to help with vocabulary and concepts on דף כב.
See you in shiur!
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
November 2 4:00AM - 5:00AM
Weekly Chazara כא: | Sunday night's shiur is set aside for our weekly Chazara. Please log on a couple of minutes before your slot! Those who have been attending, either live, or through the archives, can expect an email from me directly. For those of you registered for the shiur, but have not yet attended, feel free to be in touch with me at ravron@gmail.com I will be happy to get you "caught up" to where we are in the shiur.
Shavua Tov!
RM | |
October 30 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Ketziot Baderech 2 | On line now is a chart summarizing last night's shiur - in which the Gemara, for the first time, raised a difficulty on Rava's approach of Ye'ush Sheloh Mida'at = Ye'ush. The chart illustrates how the latest תא שמע poses a difficulty for Rava, but is consistent with Abaye.
Thursday evening we will finish this part of the sugyah and confront a Tosafot on the piece.
See you in shiur!
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October 29 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Ketziot Baderech | Dear Talmidim,
We spent last shiur analyzing the mishna of Leket, complete with Rashi and a lot of ideas from the members of our shiur. For those of you who weren't able to make it, I encourage you to see the archived shiur as soon as possible. Today's shiur will focus on the Ketziyot case. If we have time, we will take a look at select Tosafot relating to the exchange. See yesterday's thought questions, if you can, before tonight's shiur.
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
October 28 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Cases of Leket and Ketziot - mid-way through כא: | Dear Talmidim,
This evening we continue our trek through the תא שמע string of proofs from the middle to the bottom of כא:. Please click on the link to the website to see the thought questions I've developed for tonight's shiur. They relate to the two cases of "leket" then of the "ketziot", the back-to-back תא שמעs we got up to at the end of yesterday's shiur. Recall that until now, the Gemara has been bringing proofs that have ATTEMPTED to proof the position of Rava, ie יאוש שלא מדעת הוי יאוש - which have been deflected by Abaye's camp, through the gradually unfolding "chiddush" that we discussed in Monday's shiur.
See you in shiur! | |
October 27 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Ye'ush Sheloh M'da'at - Bava Metziah 21b - shiur 2 | This Monday evening we will begin the series of Tah Shmas that alternate attempting to prove Abaye over Rava's position in ye'ush sheloh meda'at and vice-versa. See the document uploaded to the site from several days ago for 21b. Each Tah Shma will be deflected by a "teirutz"/answer by the camp on the defense. Can you figure out the basis of the proof/attack question and the basis of the deflection of the proof? How does the first Q and A of the Gemara support Tosafot's claim from 21a on R. Yitzchak's allegiances?
See you in shiur!
RM | |
October 26 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Elu Metziot Chazara - this Sunday evening | We are dedicating Sunday evening's session to a review of the Gemara. Students are asked to prepare from the beginning of the Gemara on 21a until the end of the Gemara's elucidation of the machloket between Abaye and Rava on 21b, ie where we concluded Thursday evening's shiur.
For Sunday, the schedule will be:
First quarter hour - Alex
Second quarter hour - Joel
Third quarter - Jonathan
Fourth quarter - Raphael
Please log on a minute or two before your scheduled time.
For other students who have attended our earlier shiurim, or who are following the shiur using the archive, please be in touch me at ravron@gmail.com to schedule a time to review the sugyahs one-on-one.
Thanks and Shabbat Shalom,
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
October 23 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Ye'ush Sheloh M'da'at - Bava Metziah 21b | Tonight, we proceed "full force" into the sugyah that we began yesterday. A reminder that tonight we will initially be dealing with the points of agreement between Abaye and Rava, and we'll isolate their points of disagreement. We will then begin the series of "Tah Shma" proofs of the respective camps.
A reminder that our first one-on-one review session will take place this coming Sunday evening. | |
October 22 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Matmidim Gemara - Beginners- Peirot Mefuzarin | We are back on track tonight with the shiur that was originally scheduled for last night. Hope to see you there! | |
October 21 3:00AM - 4:00AM
The continuing Saga of "Peirot Mefuzarin" | Dear Talmidim,
Tonight, we continue to analyze the first sugyah in Elu Metziot, specifically, the case of Peirot Mefuzarin - or "scattered fruit". Yesterday, we learned the Gemara's "Ukimta" that the case is not a classical case of "Aveida" - a lost object - but rather ownerless property stemming from a calculated decision to be "mitya'esh" on the remaining grains of the threshing floor. The remainder of the sugyah relates to variants of the "Kav b'arba amot" ratio of dispersion.
Source sheets uploaded to the Webyeshiva site from the previous shiurim continue to be relevant to tonight's shiur.
If you have not yet joined us, or have been with us via the archived shiurim, we would be delighted to have you on line to learn with us live!
Kol Tuv,
Ron-Ami Meyers | |
October 20 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Shiur 2 of Elu Metziot | Start of the Gemara on 21a - what exactly is the case of פירות מפוזרין?
What does Rav Yitzchak suggest as the פירוש of this case?
What difficulties does the Gemara raise with his comments?
What is the Gemara's solution?
What follow-up questions does the Gemara ask on this final pshat?
What critique might we raise on the Gemara's question of 2 in 8 amot and a kav of sesame etc?
What is the practical upshot of תיקו at the end of the Gemara? (Rambam, Shulchan Aruch)
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October 19 3:00AM - 4:00AM
Matmidim Gemara - Beginners | Questions and source material for our first shiur in the Perek Beit of Bava Metziah has been uploaded to the website. Please see the material before Sunday's first shiur. Feel free to email me with any advance questions.
I'm at ravron@gmail.com
Kol tuv | |
